В Японии чем женственнее мужчина внешне, тем он считается мужественнее внутри

[Асфодель]

ой ну ладно тебе. Мы же не дали согласия на эту жертву

[Samurai]

Макс, не грусти - похрусти....

Топо, вчера с Элс в Галерее пару мечей видели: катана+вакидзаси стилизация по 16 век. Клинки, правда, туфта, но в целом конфетка....
Вот теперь ищу чела, который нормальные клинки прокует....

[Асфодель]

надо бу купить... для танцев

[Максим+]

[Асфодель]

ОФФТОП

[Элеон Элси]

а клинки сегодня уже купили...

ээх - ну ептыть в дранку... это все наша бухгалтерия - зарплату на целые сутки задержали....

[Элеон Элси]

[Samurai]

[Элеон Элси]

[Samurai]

[Асфодель]

да почему ж выкинули? всё в силе

[Samurai]

[Black_Jasmine]

I only know that Tokugawa Tsunayoshi and Yanagisawa Yoshiyasu are claimed to have been a couple.

others I could find:
Sakabe Gozaemon and Tokugawa Iemitsu:
The childhood friend and retainer, aged 21, was murdered by his 16-year-old beloved as they shared a bathtub.

Tokugawa Ieyasu and Ii Manchiyo
One of many beloveds of the shogun, Manchiyo was a scion of an allied powerful clan.

Oda Nobunaga and Mori Ranmaru
Both perished in an ambush in 1582, Ranmaru, still in his teens, fighting by Oda's side.

Ashikaga Yoshiteru and Odachidono
The Jesuit Father Luis Frois writes of the 13-year-old page's seppuku upon the death of his lord, the Shogun in 1565.

Ashikaga Yoshiteru and Matsui Sadonokami
Sadonokami remained as the Shogun's lover until he reached adulthood, when he entered the service of the Hosokawa family, where his descendants can be found to the present day.

Takeda Shingen and Kosaka Masanobu
In 1543 the 22-year-old future Daimyo sealed a written vow of love (still in existence) with his 16-year-old retainer, who served him as samurai in battle and page in peacetime

Yanagimoto Kenji and Takahata Jinkuro
Knowing Kenji prepared a rebellion, Jinkuro vowed silence, but refused to break his allegiance to Lord Takakuni, warning Kenji that despite their love, he would not hesitate to kill him in battle.

Hosokawa Takakuni and Yanagimoto Kenji
Takakuni, despite having sworn eternal love to Kenji, allowed Kenji's brother to be murdered. Later Kenji rose in vengeance against him with an army.

Ashikaga Yoshimasa and Akamatsu Norinao
Norinao, granted lands at the time in possession of Yamana Sozen, was attacked by the latter and took his own life. The conflict ballooned into the Onin War of 1467.

Ashikaga Yoshimitsu and Zeami Motokiyo
In the shudo tradition, most shoguns took boys as lovers. Zeami caught the eye of his patron (then 16) at 11, in 1374. He became a playwright, father of Noh theater.

Ashikaga Yoshimochi and Akamatsu Mochisada
Shogun Yoshimochi, son of Yoshimitsu, granted lands which his beloved mismanaged. His own family denounced him, and he had to commit seppuku by order of his lover, the shogun.

Ashikaga Yoshinori and Akamatsu Sadamura
For love of Sadamura, Shogun Yoshinori lost his life in 1441, assassinated by Akamatsu Mitsusuke, whose lands he had wanted to take and give to Sadamura.

Interestingly, it seems to be pretty common in the Ashikaga family...

[Black_Jasmine]

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From http://www.lizadalby.com/homosexpage.htm in the section on Ms. Dalby's Heian period novel, The Tale of Murasaki:

"Several centuries after the Heian era, in the society of medieval Japan after the rise of the warrior class, male homosexuality among samurai, priests, and actors was prevalent and obvious. However, there are very few clear indications of how people regarded such relationships in Murasaki's time. One scene in the Tale of Genji is always pointed to as indicating a certain blasé acceptance. At the end of the chapter "The Broom Tree" Genji is rejected by the lady Utsusemi, and so invites her younger brother who had been serving as messenger to spend the night with him instead. In Seidensticker's translation:

"Well, you at least must not abandon me." Genji pulled the boy down beside him. The boy was delighted, such were Genji's youthful charms. Genji, for his part, or so one is informed, found the boy more attractive than his chilly sister.

[Black_Jasmine]

Evidence of homosexuality between feudal lords and their apprentices may be nothing more than a complete misunderstanding of the circumstances of the times. When you are off to battle for long periods of time and there are no women in sight, you may want to "relieve yourself" in some other way. This was also one of the many "duties" that had to be performed by the younger warriors. This is no more homosexual than men raping men in prison. If anything, it is more a display of power/loyalty.

[Black_Jasmine]

Книжки тоже хорошо, например, "Зеркало мужской любви" (так, не перепутала?), автор которой происходил , правда, не из самурайской семьи, а из средного сословия. Любовь там, как считают критики, сильно приукрашена, что было все гораздо проще.
А то, что это было - факт. Называлось "теневая сторона отношений".
Да, по теме: смешное шоу. По-моему, парни обладают актерскими данными.

[AMAYA]

*Увидела Гакто-сана, поставила тазик и пускает слюньки*

самый мужественный мужчина на мой взгляд:

[Venus]

читала книги Харуки Мураками, читаю про Японию...столько всего интересного, но еще про гомосексуализм (мужской) не докопала...хотя в одном романе девушка была гомиком - любила женщину

[Tma]

Вы Рю Мураками почитайте - докопаете

[Ricko]